FRAML< /topic No Seminar Scheduled for Tonight. Leaders & topic wanted

FRAML< If you have a topic that you want to discuss in the Seminar, please send it to either Ben or me. Also let us know if you are willing to be the facilitator for the session.

greyman< Namaste dear ones!

Danziel< Does any one here know anything about elementals? The elemental royal family, to be exact.

FRAML< Hi guys. I don't know anything about elementals, even though I did go to elementary school.

Danziel< Funny! LOL! Why are you chatting here if you know nothing about the elements? This place is for chatting about devas and all that element/spirit stuff.

FRAML< Danziel: We've had a continuing series of seminars in this room for the last 3+ years on Saturday night. They've covered a lot of topics, but don't think we got to elementals.

Danziel< FRAML, so

FRAML< Danziel: The topics discussed aren't necessarily those that are posted as being the room for. Folks post specific topics at the top of the room.

winter-wind< Royal family? You mean in UK?

Danziel< winter-wind: NO, not UK, a family of elementals (AIR, WATER, FIRE, EARTH, AND SPIRIT)

FRAML< I was just slipping out of here when I saw you guys. I'm heading off for the nightly snooze.

greyman< Nighty nite FRAML.

winter-wind< I had a dream, seemed to be in Viking times, with horses, no electricity, a man was in it ... and I met a man recently who I recognized from my dream. How is that for a topic? People you meet from dreams -- it has happened to me before, too. Anyone else ? Think that would be air? PS I am 1st time here.

FRAML< ***POOOOOOOOOF***

winter-wind< The dream settings are always different from the real life meetings though, puzzling me.

LadyV< ... an elemental?

greyman< Elementals = beings without souls. Life form patterns either in or out of a body. As to "Cleanse Lepers" or "wash" away those things that do not belong. Now there are some elementals that we need such as the bacteria in our guts that help process our food. Some that are not such as those nasty rino virus critters that give colds & flu.

Danziel< Elementals have souls you idiot, greyman.

greyman< Danziel: Soul = Self aware. I dare say that the common cold has as much self awareness.

LadyV< greyman: The things that are mentioned by the spiritualist ... oh, golly ... she wrote about rocks, and plants, and be darned if I can remember. She was very popular ... still is ... in her writings. There is a sect that uses her works. Oh, darn, tomorrow I will remember that woman. Aha ... starts with a B ... Blan ... something or the other. Think the wizards use the elements ... wind/fire etc. in the work of magic ... very old. Egyptians also. Just had not thought of them as living things with actual souls, but that is something I have not heard discussed before ... come to think of it. Wonder if shamans see elementals as living things. Will have to check that one out.

greyman< {{{LadyV}}}

LadyV< Hi greyman [smiling] How is wife and family?

greyman< LadyV: Fine, fine. Was put on an interesting project again. I will be doing flight software now. I'm working for the scientist that did Voyager's magnetometers.

LadyV< greyman, you are brilliant!!!!!

greyman< LadyV: Ahhhh, only above average. *sheepish smile*

winter-wind< My spirit seems to have been around for a while. lol So this man actually rescued me -- we were in some kind of a blizzard, and there was a crazy ragged man after me, who would have murdered me. And now this same man who I met over the phone first (he's a doctor) is helping my son. And I really feel like we know each other, and I know what he is saying, thinking, beforehand. It is so cool, but I have not told him ... yet ...

LadyV< winter-wind: Hello ... just arrived ... so I have missed part of your story.

winter-wind< LadyV: I was saying that the elements, my spirit too are so old, and I am meeting people in this earth that I have seen in my dreams, and once skeptic, am starting to believe that the spirit does travel through different lives, and times, and do you have to keep hitting refresh button to chat here?

Danziel< FRAML: So, do you think I really care right now? I came here for info. Every one says elementals have no souls. How would you feel if every one said you had no soul? Just because we are more powerful than you humans, doesn't mean you can dis us like that. Many of us walk as humans studying you and waiting for that day you kill yourselves.

winter-wind< Danziel: You are not a very happy person, why are you here anyway?

Danziel< I need to know as much as possible. I've seen so much I no longer have a reason to be happy. (winter-wind)

LadyV< greyman: You know what's great about you is, along with all that grey matter, you got a heart ... and a great sense of humor. Glad you are on the team for making a better world.

greyman< LadyV: Thank you, that was sweet! *G*

winter-wind< greyman: you are some type of a genius, that is quite an agenda ... bravo!

Danziel< greyman: Genius? You'll go insane, they all do. I should know.

winter-wind< Danziel: greyman is an inspiration to us all, and is a brilliant man of integrity and charm, and I just met him, too, but you need a few lessons in etiquette, to say the least.

greyman< winter-wind: Kind words.

greyman< Danziel: Calm down. Maybe, just maybe, we have a slight problem with a definition.

Danziel< greyman, I don't need a definition of my kind.

greyman< el.e.men.tal (l-mntl) adj. 1. Of, relating to, or being an element. 2. a. Fundamental or essential; basic. b. Of or relating to fundamentals; elementary. c. Constituting an integral part; inborn. 3. Of such character as to resemble a force of nature in power or effect: elemental violence. el.e.men.tal (l-mntl) adj. 1. Of, relating to, or being an element. 2. a. Fundamental or essential; basic. b. Of or relating to fundamentals; elementary. c. Constituting an integral part; inborn. 3. Of such character as to resemble a force of nature in power or effect: elemental violence. ele.mental n. ele.mental.ly adv. Pronunciation Key Source: The American Heritage ® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1996, 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. elemental \El`e*men"tal\ ([e^]l`[-e]*m[e^]n"tal), a. 1. Pertaining to the elements, first principles, and primary ingredients, or to the four supposed elements of the material world; as, elemental air. ``Elemental strife.'' --Pope. 2. Pertaining to rudiments or first principles; rudimentary; elementary. ``The elemental rules of erudition.'' --Cawthorn. el.e.men.tal (l-mntl) adj. 1. Of, relating to, or being an element. 2. a. Fundamental or essential; basic. b. Of or relating to fundamentals; elementary. c. Constituting an integral part; inborn. 3. Of such character as to resemble a force of nature in power or effect: elemental violence. ele.mental n. ele.mental.ly adv. Pronunciation Key Source: The American Heritage ® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1996, 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. elemental \El`e*men"tal\ ([e^]l`[-e]*m[e^]n"tal), a. 1. Pertaining to the elements, first principles, and primary ingredients, or to the four supposed elements of the material world; as, elemental air. ``Elemental strife.'' --Pope. 2. Pertaining to rudiments or first principles; rudimentary; elementary. ``The elemental rules of erudition.'' --Cawthorn. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. elemental adj 1: being or resembling a force of nature; "elemental violence"; "primitive passions" [syn: primitive] 2: being the ultimate or elemental constituents of anything; "the elemental stuff of ... out of which the many forms of life have been molded"- Jack London; "the ultimate ingredients of matter" [syn: ultimate] 3: relating to or being an element; "elemental sulphur" 4: relating to severe atmospheric conditions; "a race against hail or cold rains or some other elemental catastrophe"- J. K. Howard

Danziel< greyman: I just need to know why I'm here, not who I am, but thanks.

winter-wind< "relating to severe atmospheric conditions; a race against hail or cold rains or some other elemental catastrophe" -- yeah, so in this dream I was saved from a crazy man in spite of the wild blizzard. We had clothing that I verified at the museum, authentic furwear, and now this same man who rescued me in my dream is really here and my child is being helped by him who has evolved from man on horse to a brilliant doctor that I could not even get through to my son before -- it is remarkable -- and I want to tell him about the dream, but I am afraid he might think I am nuts, cause we were probably in the 1400's.

Danziel< That was a horrible time, Too much hatred.

winter-wind< Danziel: We have so much suffering in this world, but can't carry it so heavy. You must find yourself and not by what you see that is outside and horrible. You need to get a good therapist to help you de-stress and handle the anxieties that affect your sense of well-being. There is good -- there is bad -- you have to balance yourself. It is very important to do that for your own peace of mind. Life can get to all of us but you are not handling it properly, you sound depressed, and that needs to be worked on, and you really need to get to someone to help you sort it out. This can not be done by chatroom, you will feel better to talk to someone who is trained to help, you will see, you will be stronger for the long run, help is always there when you need it most.

Danziel< winter-wind: I didn't know you cared so much for a being said to have no soul, and that the being does care for any of your human kind. We were here before you. I still question why you were created.

greyman< Danziel: You are sounding as if you are an "Old One" and not an elemental.

Danziel< Yes, that sounds more like me, how could you guess? But wrong, more like a "lordly one". Regal and perfect form reflecting as a lady of all elements, air, water, fire, earth, but not spirit. I can't stand them; they like you humans.

winter-wind< Danziel: I think you are sounding very macho, and cruel and, yes, quite frankly, sick. Are you planning to spend your entire life in that horrible negative state? Yes, you are as human as all us earthlings, and you have obviously been abused, I am sorry to say, and I feel your pain. Please seek help for yourself even if you're not serious, you obviously are crying out for help, and we are not qualified to help someone as tormented as you are. I would like to see you get the help you need. You are not normal at all.

Danziel< winter-wind, I'm a girl. I don't need help!!!! You think I'm insane. It's you humans that need help, you people and your big egos. Not normal at all? See, you said it yourself, but you can't admit it to yourself that you are talking to an elemental in human flesh, can you? You people are happy knowing that there is nothing out there other than what you all ready know is out there.

greyman< winter-wind: Have you discovered your affects-bridge or did you simply have a series of dreams?

winter-wind< affects bridge? Don't understand. No, the dreams don't seem to form a series, but if I could, that would be great ...

greyman< winter-wind: The affects bridge is a psychic mechanism used to trigger a past life experience. Check Bill Baldwin's web site on spirit releasement techniques.

winter-wind< Ok, thank you, greyman. I feel like I really need to check into it too ... that was very helpful. :)

Danziel< Hey, guys, the radio in a room on the other side of this house just turned on all of a sudden, full blast, too. It was scary.

winter-wind< greyman: Have you tried affects bridge?

greyman< winter-wind: Yes, I found that I died very old in a cabin by freezing to death. Not bad. The euphoria I felt as I died caused me to be rescued by a friendly angel. And here I am.

winter-wind< greyman, you are amazing. Did you see the angel? Did it have wings? I almost died once, here and know an angel pulled me out so I wouldn't feel pain. I was attacked, but 2 separate times and the angels were there. I felt the presence, but did not see but a bright haze. Also, when my son was born, a bright haze with angel music that was awesome (I mean conceived not born), so when you were feeling euphoria, they helped you out, and now you are gifted from god to do what you do. How were you as a young child in school, age 4-6? If you remember, please, I am unofficially studying young gifted children with genius IQs. There is not a lot to go on. My son is like that. There is not enough education by adults to realize how uniquely their minds work. But do you remember anything particular? Your IQ must be high up there.

greyman< winter-wind: I am not a genius. I was in advanced placement classes but went a year ahead at the University of Maryland. I mentor young scientists and engineers at NASA. That is fun, seeing the exploration in someone else's eyes.

Danziel< Like dog, like human.

greyman< Danziel: I sense pain in you. That makes me sad. Sad because it doesn't have to be that way. But it is a secret!

Danziel< Pain this, pain that, yes, I'm in pain. Give the genius an award. How would you feel if you were in a human body that was not yours and living a lie? And you have a little amnesia, and because of that you can't get to your real home! I bet you would be in pain, too. I know I'm not human, and a lot more, but I need more info.

greyman< Danziel: Yes. The secret is to care. When you care, you elevate your spirit and can connect to the "Higher Caring Being". When I made this discovery I simply cared for some ducks. They are clean spirits and respond remarkably well to the experience. You can work up from there.

winter-wind< Yes, birds are all spirit. We have one. They (ducks) are a favorite of my son's. We have a parrot, he instinctively knows what we are thinking and as a baby knew what meant what. He knows happy and sad and has a sound to go with everything, and his favorite sound is to mimic me calling my son's name; it sounds so nice, he kisses you too.

Danziel< Work up from where? I am already a higher spirit than you. LOL!!!

greyman< winter-wind: Yes, box turtles make easy "care" targets, too. *G*.

winter-wind< Turtle =:O=

Danziel< How old are you people? In your 20's 30's?

winter-wind< greyman: You did stuff as a kid that made you special, I bet. You are very sensitive to a high degree that most people can't even comprehend ... yes?

Danziel< You people must be old "as a kid?"

greyman< winter-wind: I was diagnosed as an empath. When I am near people, I can see and feel what others are experiencing. It is very handy where I work.

Danziel< greyman: Maybe you should be near me -- no that's not a good idea, you might pass out because of all the "pain" I feel. I have a cool talent. When I see some one, I see flashes of how and when they die, but it's not that cool. Hey maybe that's the cause of my pain.

winter-wind< greyman: Is it possible for a 6 year old to experience that, as strong as an adult? Were you like so as child? He is too young to understand other peoples complicated emotions, and has had some problems. He has been to the doctor (from my dream) because of this, and he is six and writing books. I was trying to find out on the web, and here you are! WOW! :) What a coincidence, anyway, that will be good for him and you as an adult, but oh the troubles of childhood. Led us to this doctor (who I met in the dream); now we are trying to control him better for his own good, cause a lot of things upset him for good reason, but none of the other kids his age are as extreme. PS: the doctor knows I am extremely sensitive, too.

greyman< winter-wind: A friend of mine could read the encyclopedia at the age of two. His father did not believe that he could do this. The son told me that this was a source of irritation (told to me when he was in college).

winter-wind< greyman: How do I know if I am an empath also? Where do realize that if you were always like that, may I ask? Thank you.

greyman< winter-wind: If you see a child "skin" their knee and you grimace, you probably are an empath. If you pick up the thoughts of others, you definitely are.

Danziel< What are you doing, now what are you doing!!!!!!

winter-wind< greyman: Yes, there is an intense desire for creativity, knowledge, and an extreme compassion for animals. I have donated a lot of money to conservation and preservation for my 6 year old, to PROVE we care to him. He has never eaten meats, was like that at 2. We live very happily together, but outside he is learning he can not impose all this on other people. There are adults who are not as caring or advanced. Then it turns into a problem. Is your friend more creative now or scholarly?

Danziel< whaz up!!!!! whaz up!!!!!!!!

Danziel< hey, do you people believe in magik???

greyman< Danziel: Source of pain may be isolation-related.

Danziel< You finally typed something to me.

winter-wind< Danziel: Are you listening now? You are going to need someone to talk this all out with you in detail. A professional psychologist. Call a few to find one you like, or maybe a mental hospital in your area has a free clinic, to speak to someone. You are talking in the middle of the night about being inhuman; that is a problem. No matter what your talent is, you are not grounded by yourself, you need help to heal, we all do sometimes.

Danziel< If I told any one else they would think I am crazy for knowing that I'm not human. It's was nice to tell someone my secret because I don't see you people. I hope you don't go telling any government. I have a lot of problems. I don't need people in black coats trying to catch me. What would my mother think? I'm not lying. It's hard to be different, but it's nice to finally tell some one.

winter-wind< Danziel: Tell some one in person. It can be private. You are at a very important time in your life that will affect who you are forever and ever, so you owe yourself that much -- to get it out in person -- even if its with a counselor at school. Your mom would probably be crying for you if she knew how troubled you are feeling. I am a mom, and my mom died when she was only in her 50's. How could you be so selfish? You think your mom would be so terrible?

greyman< Ahhh, Danziel, People who care do not (intentionally) cause pain or hardship. Please do not feel that you are going to somehow be attacked. This is not so. You do need some type of nurturing so that you can grow and experience life to the fullest. We start by caring.

winter-wind< Danziel: You can start at your local zoo. Do you think you are capable of caring for a pet? Do you have any? Do you live alone? How old are you? Greyman, what makes her this way is deeper than starting with ducks. She needs pro-help before, during and after the duck treatment ... but, yes, that is true about their clean spirits. You can hand feed them, too!

Danziel< I'm 14. I have 4 pets. I love them. If I went to the zoo, I would just feel pain for the poor animals there, because you humans made them almost extinct. Thanks for caring.

winter-wind< Danziel: I think you should volunteer at the zoo. The employment offices are usually looking for all kinds of volunteers at zoos.

Danziel< I would just piss them off, but I know the animals would like to see me. They like beings other than humans. I could try to volunteer over the summer, for the animals sake.

greyman< winter-wind: I would if I had the time. I have my hands full.

winter-wind< greyman: Yep, yep, me too, but I am worried about Danziel here. Seems to be headed for trouble. And the zoos are full of the most caring people you could ever know -- right, greyman?

Danziel< I have a mom. But my dad died last year. I was at school at the time. I didn't even say I love you before I left. He was sleeping. He's in heaven. HE'S happy. That place is pretty cool -- really bright, though. I guess that's why you people keep saying "I saw the light."

winter-wind< Danziel: I am an avid zoo-goer, and if I did not have a full time job, I would go to volunteer in a zoo -- make a study of it -- and maybe you will become a great veterinarian one day. You will have so much love from all those pets and their masters, and you will make a lot of money, too! lol

Danziel< You people are so nice!

greyman< I am sooooo sleepy. Good night dear ones. ~~

winter-wind< greyman: goodnite, it was lovely chatting with you.

Danziel< Another thing that be troubling me is that I hate, hate and can't stand, being in a human body and living a human teenager life. How do you people do it?

winter-wind< (((Danziel))) I am so sorry about your dad. Death in family can create a tension so great it is no wonder you feel like you do. Everyone has to grieve, and it can last. You are not alone, and I bet your dad looks over you and your mom. Try to have a talk with her. She is in pain, too. You don't want to make it harder.

Danziel< I care for my mother and talk about it. I'm not that cold. | Next |